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	<title>Comments on: Consulting with Libya in 2007</title>
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		<title>By: Franky</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>Franky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure there is no connection to Gaddafi, Alex... And I really hope this conflict ends soon. Seems that all disasters have to come together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there is no connection to Gaddafi, Alex&#8230; And I really hope this conflict ends soon. Seems that all disasters have to come together.</p>
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		<title>By: druidbros</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3589</link>
		<dc:creator>druidbros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ William Carleton - Maybe we just have not achieved critical mass yet. And you must have enough people who care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ William Carleton &#8211; Maybe we just have not achieved critical mass yet. And you must have enough people who care.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hooker</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3588</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This issue is not about if network technologies can or can not play a role in political movements, it is if Shirky was paid for his work with Libya.

It has now been established that the monitoring consulting group was actually doing PR for Gaddafi and nothing more.  The entire program was a cynical effort by the firm and related academics to make money off the fact that Gaddafi was rich and evil.  

Shirky needs to come clean utterly with what payments he received for his work, and how he could have imagined that he could have improved the situation in Libya with a technology project.

Shirky&#039;s own country men were killed by Gaddafi on several different occasions.  If Shirky can not clarify this he can join Assange in the ranks of want to be cyber-activists we could all do without.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue is not about if network technologies can or can not play a role in political movements, it is if Shirky was paid for his work with Libya.</p>
<p>It has now been established that the monitoring consulting group was actually doing PR for Gaddafi and nothing more.  The entire program was a cynical effort by the firm and related academics to make money off the fact that Gaddafi was rich and evil.  </p>
<p>Shirky needs to come clean utterly with what payments he received for his work, and how he could have imagined that he could have improved the situation in Libya with a technology project.</p>
<p>Shirky&#8217;s own country men were killed by Gaddafi on several different occasions.  If Shirky can not clarify this he can join Assange in the ranks of want to be cyber-activists we could all do without.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hooker</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3586</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 05:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Along with Jim the major question here is if you were paid for your work with Libya and if so how much.  

This post is not contrite enough given the evil regime you were involved with.  You have no business pointing the fingers at anyone else right now if you were taking money from Libya.  

Frankly I don&#039;t assume you were doing it for free, but your avoidance of the subject makes the hole worse.

Every idea in your books has been had and written by another person and written in another book, don&#039;t take the global communities forgiveness or understanding for granted.  Also a lot of people have died recently because of Libya, and the regime got a lot of consulting from top level US and UK intellectuals, you being actually a fairly minor one.  

But as I see it you have no business but to make a full and total apology for this as a terrible mistake, without excuses.  Failure to do so will only be used to further critic your ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with Jim the major question here is if you were paid for your work with Libya and if so how much.  </p>
<p>This post is not contrite enough given the evil regime you were involved with.  You have no business pointing the fingers at anyone else right now if you were taking money from Libya.  </p>
<p>Frankly I don&#8217;t assume you were doing it for free, but your avoidance of the subject makes the hole worse.</p>
<p>Every idea in your books has been had and written by another person and written in another book, don&#8217;t take the global communities forgiveness or understanding for granted.  Also a lot of people have died recently because of Libya, and the regime got a lot of consulting from top level US and UK intellectuals, you being actually a fairly minor one.  </p>
<p>But as I see it you have no business but to make a full and total apology for this as a terrible mistake, without excuses.  Failure to do so will only be used to further critic your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Becca Pyne</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3585</link>
		<dc:creator>Becca Pyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just thought you might (enjoy/be entertained?) by this and have some comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU&amp;feature=channel_video_title

Thanks
Becca]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought you might (enjoy/be entertained?) by this and have some comments?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU&#038;feature=channel_video_title" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8x3V-sUgU&#038;feature=channel_video_title</a></p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Becca</p>
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		<title>By: sewa mobil</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3584</link>
		<dc:creator>sewa mobil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article, thanks for the information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, thanks for the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3583</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the &quot;best reason to believe that social media can aid citizens in their struggle to make government more responsive is that both citizens and governments believe that&quot; is where the tipping point lies... and if it isn&#039;t, then what hope do any of us have?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the &#8220;best reason to believe that social media can aid citizens in their struggle to make government more responsive is that both citizens and governments believe that&#8221; is where the tipping point lies&#8230; and if it isn&#8217;t, then what hope do any of us have?</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There’s no circumstance under which I would have taken money from the man who ordered the Lockerbie bombing — much less brag about it in my author bio on a book.&quot;

if you were able to take the bombers money, wouldn&#039;t you have a moral obligation to do so?

The point is not whether money is received or not. The money is merely evidence of the more important question, &quot;did you help the bomber or not?&quot;  Taking money from the bomber is by itself actually helping to thwart the bomber&#039;s plans. And taking money from the bomber to provide healthcare to the bomber&#039;s neighbours is also fine. So of course what the money is for matters. 

I wish there was this much scrutiny of the dealings of Big Oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s no circumstance under which I would have taken money from the man who ordered the Lockerbie bombing — much less brag about it in my author bio on a book.&#8221;</p>
<p>if you were able to take the bombers money, wouldn&#8217;t you have a moral obligation to do so?</p>
<p>The point is not whether money is received or not. The money is merely evidence of the more important question, &#8220;did you help the bomber or not?&#8221;  Taking money from the bomber is by itself actually helping to thwart the bomber&#8217;s plans. And taking money from the bomber to provide healthcare to the bomber&#8217;s neighbours is also fine. So of course what the money is for matters. </p>
<p>I wish there was this much scrutiny of the dealings of Big Oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dick</title>
		<link>http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2011/03/consulting-with-libya-in-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-3581</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a planet we have entered into a global social contract to, at some basic level, provide security to each other.  This is the goal of a Chapter 7 intervention.  Rwanda was a failure, there have been others.  

Technology alone may not be the &quot;necessary and sufficient&quot; cause to end global slaughters, that would be naive to think so, but that is also NOT what we ask of it.  

It is a tool, and when used effectively it can influence political will, exercised by the people of  a non democratic regime it can create democratic results, in the interim, whether or not it brings about a full democratic revolution is not the goal. 

To try and spread and foster this idea is a noble cause.  Paid or unpaid is irrelevant. Results matter. 

-CD]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a planet we have entered into a global social contract to, at some basic level, provide security to each other.  This is the goal of a Chapter 7 intervention.  Rwanda was a failure, there have been others.  </p>
<p>Technology alone may not be the &#8220;necessary and sufficient&#8221; cause to end global slaughters, that would be naive to think so, but that is also NOT what we ask of it.  </p>
<p>It is a tool, and when used effectively it can influence political will, exercised by the people of  a non democratic regime it can create democratic results, in the interim, whether or not it brings about a full democratic revolution is not the goal. </p>
<p>To try and spread and foster this idea is a noble cause.  Paid or unpaid is irrelevant. Results matter. </p>
<p>-CD</p>
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		<title>By: Rogers Cadenhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogers Cadenhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 14:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The way Jay Rosen framed this in his twt posting led me to believe that you were working with someone connected to Gaddafi.&quot;

Alex: He was working with an official of Gaddafi&#039;s government -- the Libyan IT minister is an official in that government. I appreciate Clay&#039;s explanation, but I find it lacking. There&#039;s no circumstance under which I would have taken money from the man who ordered the Lockerbie bombing -- much less brag about it in my author bio on a book. I&#039;m amazed at this abhorrent bit of news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The way Jay Rosen framed this in his twt posting led me to believe that you were working with someone connected to Gaddafi.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alex: He was working with an official of Gaddafi&#8217;s government &#8212; the Libyan IT minister is an official in that government. I appreciate Clay&#8217;s explanation, but I find it lacking. There&#8217;s no circumstance under which I would have taken money from the man who ordered the Lockerbie bombing &#8212; much less brag about it in my author bio on a book. I&#8217;m amazed at this abhorrent bit of news.</p>
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